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(Message started by: the_girl_right_next_to_him on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:15pm)
Title: What's with all the lie references?
Post by the_girl_right_next_to_him on Jul 29th, 2005, 11:15pm
It's so sad that so many of John's songs refer to lying and betrayal.   I know he had a crappy hand dealt to him as an adolescent, but he's turned out so great...what a ball of doubt he is!

I'm happily married so he can't be married to ME! ME! ME!  :-[ But I wish he had someone that loved him completely to make him feel better about everything ;D, He needs to find a nice woman (preferably not a little neurotic twinkie) who could make him see the glass half full more often.

Of course, this could totally change his music...just get rid of some of the angst and keep on writing amazing music!

Life is hectic, crazy and full of "toxic" people.  Happiness is a choice!

I will now step off of my soapbox (again).

Ahhh, he's such a great package!  Dreamy.....
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by DrPepperGoo87 on Jul 30th, 2005, 10:20am
i don't think so many of his songs refer to lies and betrayal. they refer to mental/emotional issues and disappointment within his relationships. those songs he wrote about his relationships on Gutterflower were pretty depressing but that's just how things turned out. writing is how he releases stress and his emotions but i don't think he's a pessimist. he just sees the reality of the situation and writes exactly how he feels at the time. if you just got out of a bad relationship, would you be writing happy lyrics? i'm sure he's looking for a nice woman. no woman can ever make him feel better about everything; that's a choice he has to make on his own.
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by kymbreleigh on Jul 30th, 2005, 1:08pm
I am so happy for you that you are happy and your life has been so great.I am truly not being sarcastic  BUT a lot of us have not had the best of lives and I for one can relate to a lot of the lyrics and it really helps me through the hard times.If he was happy all the time we'd be getting backstreet boys music out out of the goos.Thank God he can write through the pain so that we can all be helped in some way or another.People can realate  to negativity more so than positivity unfortunately. :'(
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by hereisgone591 on Jul 30th, 2005, 1:14pm
EVeryone can relate to the Goo's songs, maybe not all of them.....

When writers write (haha), they write about what they are feeling and what they want to get out in the open that has been possibley bothering them..... A writer isnt as successful 'till the listener gets what the song is about, unless they interprete into their own meaning, that is another way...you can relate to the song because of what you think the song is about and thats the lyric writers dream, not to relate to the song because of what he wrote it about but mold it into something you relate too....    That's why a lot of ppl can relate to the goo's because their songs can have double meanings, for the band and for yourself.

Take black balloon for example, not everyone we know or knew had a herion addiction, so how can ppl relate to it? I can totally relate to it because one of my family members who has a drug problem but not herion... Its kinda like that...

But its always great for the band when someone can relate to their music for what it is, music helps a lot of people, without music and especially the goos I probably wouldn't be here.... Thats why we should appreciate everything the goos write about rather you relate to it or not, which a lot of ppl prob can relate..

actually what i just said ^^ was really off topic, and i dunno why i said all of that haha sorry for boring you.


Question: is johnny still dating Adrienne?
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by DrPepperGoo87 on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:14pm

on 07/30/05 at 13:14:30, hereisgone591 wrote:
Question: is johnny still dating Adrienne?


i don't think he is but i could be wrong. it has been said that they still remain friends but to what extent of a  ;)'friend' ;) she remains is unknown.
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by hereisgone591 on Jul 30th, 2005, 4:20pm
Alright thank you!!!

i also heard on the radio that he called it quits when he was going out of town... but he never mentioned a name..... that was like a while ago tho that i heard it.
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by Johns_chick on Jul 30th, 2005, 10:20pm
I can definately relate too some of John's songs and the way he expresses him self through his music is amazing. He puts so much feeling and emotion into his songs and i just love that!!!! I think it's always better to write how you feel and express it rather than keeping it inside you have to let it out someway and he does it through his music!!! O.k i'm finished!!!!!!
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by DrPepperGoo87 on Jul 30th, 2005, 10:44pm
i ditto what Johns_chick just said above. :)
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by Johns_chick on Jul 30th, 2005, 11:08pm
Well thankyou DrPepperGoo ;D
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by hereisgone591 on Jul 30th, 2005, 11:13pm

on 07/30/05 at 22:20:54, Johns_chick wrote:
I can definately relate too some of John's songs and the way he expresses him self through his music is amazing. He puts so much feeling and emotion into his songs and i just love that!!!! I think it's always better to write how you feel and express it rather than keeping it inside you have to let it out someway and he does it through his music!!! O.k i'm finished!!!!!!


Amen to that..
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by boynamedgoo on Jul 31st, 2005, 5:44pm

on 07/29/05 at 23:15:33, the_girl_right_next_to_him wrote:
It's so sad that so many of John's songs refer to lying and betrayal. � I know he had a crappy hand dealt to him as an adolescent, but he's turned out so great...what a ball of doubt he is!

I'm happily married so he can't be married to ME! ME! ME! �:-[ But I wish he had someone that loved him completely to make him feel better about everything ;D, He needs to find a nice woman (preferably not a little neurotic twinkie) who could make him see the glass half full more often.

Of course, this could totally change his music...just get rid of some of the angst and keep on writing amazing music!

Life is hectic, crazy and full of "toxic" people. �Happiness is a choice!

I will now step off of my soapbox (again).

Ahhh, he's such a great package! �Dreamy.....

I take offense to your entire post.

What makes the Goo's great has absolutely nothing to do with being happy or good looking. Wanting the band to represent something they aren't is completely the opposite of what their music is all about. If you don't agree with the lyrics, don't listen. If you want happy music, go listen to christian rock.

Being from Buffalo, I know exactly where they're coming from with most of their music. Being able to put out good music and say something intelligent with their lyrics is why they kick so much ass. Being able to find so many ways to say "fuck it" or "fuck you" is part of their talent.

Just because you seem so content with your situation doesn't mean everyone else is just like you. I can tell you that more people relate to their lyrics as they are than you do.
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by crazy4goo on Jul 31st, 2005, 7:20pm
Johns lyrics are honest and heartfelt, and to me, that's what makes him such a remarkable songwriter.  I can relate and am so grateful for what they put into their work and give to us :bowdown:
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by the_girl_right_next_to_him on Jul 31st, 2005, 7:42pm

on 07/30/05 at 10:20:46, DrPepperGoo87 wrote:
i don't think so many of his songs refer to lies and betrayal. they refer to mental/emotional issues and disappointment within his relationships. those songs he wrote about his relationships on Gutterflower were pretty depressing but that's just how things turned out. writing is how he releases stress and his emotions but i don't think he's a pessimist. he just sees the reality of the situation and writes exactly how he feels at the time. if you just got out of a bad relationship, would you be writing happy lyrics? i'm sure he's looking for a nice woman. no woman can ever make him feel better about everything; that's a choice he has to make on his own.


HOLY COW!!!!COLOR ME DEFENSIVE!!!!  I had the in-laws in town over the weekend and just checked in and WOW!  

I must first say that everyone has ups and downs in their lives.  I have not had the easiest life either, but am just making the best of it that I can.  I don't like to drag people down with my personal trials and tribs - we've all got 'em.  There is time to lick your wounds (or write a song in JR's case), but you MUST pull yourself back up.  Many of Johnny's songs speak to me at both dark times and happy times...they're insightful, relateable, beautiful...that's why...like all of you...I love goo.

Of course a woman isn't responsible for his happiness, just a good "team" member that can be trusted and an emotional soft place to land.  I only WISH that I had the ability to write a song to release frustration and express emotion.  He's certainly said that he misses being married.

The Backstreet Boys reference was a little hurtful!  I was just saying that some of ol' Johnny's songs are  sad for this stage of his life.  I am not a fan of bubble gum pop...what the?....I am just blown away at how my post was mis-interpreted...whew...I certainly have my tail between my legs now...wish I could write a song about it!   :shakehead:

Still think that "happy" is a choice.  NOBODY can be happy all the time, but I'm a glass half full kind of gal.  STILL standin' by my original post.  Just expressing an opinion.   :-/
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by DrPepperGoo87 on Jul 31st, 2005, 8:45pm
i wasn't being defensive for John. i was just stating my opinion of why some of his lyrics aren't 'happy-go-lucky' and that i don't think he has a negative outlook on life.
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by Johns_chick on Jul 31st, 2005, 9:09pm
I wasn't being defensive either i was just stating an opinoin no harm done!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by the_girl_right_next_to_him on Jul 31st, 2005, 10:08pm

on 07/31/05 at 17:44:50, boynamedgoo wrote:
I take offense to your entire post.

What makes the Goo's great has absolutely nothing to do with being happy or good looking. Wanting the band to represent something they aren't is completely the opposite of what their music is all about. If you don't agree with the lyrics, don't listen. If you want happy music, go listen to christian rock.

Being from Buffalo, I know exactly where they're coming from with most of their music. Being able to put out good music and say something intelligent with their lyrics is why they kick so much ass. Being able to find so many ways to say "fuck it" or "fuck you" is part of their talent.

Just because you seem so content with your situation doesn't mean everyone else is just like you. I can tell you that more people relate to their lyrics as they are than you do.


:pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed: :pissed:

Oh My....you certainly took the gloves off...my turn now.

Hey Mr. Buffalo.  Just because you're FROM Buffalo doesn't mean you've lived John's life.  I'm from Virginia, but I don't claim to be inside Dave Matthews head.  By the way, I've lived in  Rochester, just an hour east - things aren't much different there.   You've made some sweeping grand assumptions about what you THINK I was saying.  Thanks for clearing up MY thoughts.  To quote a favorite song of mine...."UP YOURS".  

Sounds like you think I'm some hearts and butterflies chick...NOT SO.  I wouldn't change anything that the Goos have done.   I also think that you believe that my comments were about the whole band and they were just about me thinking about John and wanting him to be happy and sharing that with the kick a*s lyrics he writes.  If you want him to find 1001 ways to say f*ck off for the rest of his life, what kind of fan is that?  Of course I want him to use his writing as an outlet of emotion - NOBODY does it better.  Do you really think anyone is happy all of the time?  If you claim to be a long time fan then you certainly have seen an evolution/maturity  through their career so far....sometimes it's hard to believe the same band wrote Jed that wrote Gutterflower - Uh Oh....might be opening ANOTHER can of unwanted worms.   Jeez!

Clearly I've struck a nerve with this post.  Let me say now, I am SO sorry.  I NEVER NEVER NEVER meant to offend anyone.  

I'll lay low for a while....

-Michael

Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by DrPepperGoo87 on Aug 1st, 2005, 10:07am
the tone i took with my post was not haughty or snobbish just so you know. :) i wasn't offended at all. i may have disagreed but i don't dislike you or anything for your opinion. i'm a little more mature than that. :)
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by the_girl_right_next_to_him on Aug 1st, 2005, 12:52pm

on 08/01/05 at 10:07:51, DrPepperGoo87 wrote:
the tone i took with my post was not haughty or snobbish just so you know. :) i wasn't offended at all. i may have disagreed but i don't dislike you or anything for your opinion. i'm a little more mature than that. :)



It's all good.  I'm over it!  Still think I'll be responding more than posting for a while though...whew!  I appreciate you're explanation and your initial response WAS mature and I wasn't offended by it at all.  Apparently others have a hard time expressing THEIR opinion without making it an assault.  Too bad...like I said...toxic people are a no no for me!

Excuse me waiter....Bitter...table for ONE!  hee hee hee!
Title: Re: What's with all the lie references?
Post by Skkyer on Aug 2nd, 2005, 10:46am
Boy, this has become a heated thread.  

I believe the GGD music reaches everyone.  Not just John's songs but Robby's also.  Yes, not everyone has the life they want.  As far as love, I have the fairytale, I appreciate it, but I'm one of those strange people who never wanted to fall in love and went to extremes to avoid it.  Life happens.  Some of the songs are sad, but some are happy to me and others are songs with hope.  I guess it's all in your point of view and how you look at them.  

I think we can all agree that John is an amazing song writer.  I don't care what kind of songs he chooses to write, as long as he keeps writing.  As far as his personal life, I hope it is everything he wants it to be.


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