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Title: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 5th, 2005, 6:32am I don't even really have anything to post, because I'm kinda speechless just now... I just heard the entire 'Hold me up' album for the first time. I...just........ lol. *lost for words* It's...punk! Wow, it's just so different to, say, Gutterflower. It has a much more raw, unrefined sound - not in a bad way, but I just can't get over how different it is to their more recent stuff! Now I can appreciate just what Johnny and Robby mean when they waffle about the band having 'grown'. It's Goo, but not as we know it...or at least, not as *I* know it. And how the balance has shifted. How many songs did Robby get on DUTG and Gutterflower? This whole album seems to consist of Robby! And while more Robby can only ever be a good thing, like I said, it's just so different! Distinct lack of Rzeznik. Very odd. Very odd indeed. It feels like you barely even hear Johnny at all! I think I need to give it another listen and then maybe I'll have some coherent thoughts to share with you, instead of just the bemused exclamations you're getting at the moment. Were any of you guys this bemused by the contrast? Or am I just making a fuss over nothing?! I'll bet I sound like an idiot! Fortunately that's happened before, so I'm used to it ;) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by Sarah on Jan 5th, 2005, 9:31am I can see what you mean. But it was different for me. I had heard Hold Me Up and Superstar Carwash after a Boy Named Goo first came out. I loved ABNG so much that I wanted to hear it all. So I guess the transition wasn't as big at that point for me, and I didn't find it as shocking as you. But I can totally understand where you're coming from, it makes sense. ;) Anyway, as a somewhat related side note, I have been listening to LIB so much lately (plus I have a CD of live .mp3s in my car so I'm getting a double dose of live music) that when I went back to some of my studio albums Johnny and Robby's (most Johnny's though) sounded so different to me! It was kind of bizarre. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by babsil30 on Jan 5th, 2005, 11:11am Yeah, I can remember having ABNG, DUTG, and then i went back and got Jed... wow, I was totally blown away! LOL Sarah, I know exactly what you mean! I've been listening to LIB constantly, and put in GF yesterday. What a Scene seemed so.. I dunno.. slow..or flat.. or slow & flat.. compared to the live version! I actually looked at my CD player to make sure it was "spinning" correctly! LOL I could have sworn the CD was playing slower or something! LOL -Babs :D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by FizzyGoo on Jan 5th, 2005, 1:25pm on 01/05/05 at 06:32:18, RogueUK wrote:
Wait till you hear Jed! ;) That's where I noticed the biggest difference. Remember also that the equipment available to them at the time was not exactly up to the quality of what they have now...Johnny didn't have access to 40 different guitars OR the Capitol Records Studio. I think that's one of the reasons for the "rawness". Other than that, it's just their crazy old days. ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 5th, 2005, 4:43pm on 01/05/05 at 13:25:54, FizzyGoo wrote:
Haha...you might have a point there. The only song I've heard from Jed is 'James Dean'. But I'm guessing it gets much heavier, given that that's just an acoustic track...I love listening to James Dean. You can hear John cracking up as he's singing, and it always makes me laugh...I'll just be sitting there, listening to it, chuckling away like a madwoman, lol. Um...can anyone explain the whole 'Incredible Lance Diamond' thing? ??? Who IS this guy? Huh? And the random animal noises on 'Out of the Red'? Any explanation for that?! This album's just a bit random in general, I think! Um...I'm guessing it's George singing on '22 Seconds'? Haha "Was I a little off key?" Yeah, just a TINY bit ;) I'm LOVING 'Laughing'. It has the greatest hyperactive bass line...I swear Robby Takac has extra fingers or something - how is it physically possible to play that fast?! I also love '2 days in Feb' that was one of the ones that I had heard before today. And 'Hey'. Why don't Johnny and Robby share lead vocals more often? There's just something so cool about hearing them sing alternate lines. Maybe that's just me being strange though ??? Ah, stop talking about the new CD! :'( It's not fair lol...I couldn't find it anywhere today :( and believe me, I looked. And don't even MENTION the DVD...it will depress me far too much! I'm listening to 'So Outta Line' right now. Makes you wonder about the other directions the Goos could have ended up heading in...musically speaking... I don't think Rzeznik had really sorta...blossomed yet...as a singer/songwriter...at the time Hold me Up was recorded. He's come a long way. :D I read somewhere yesterday that originally Johnny didn't want to sing at all, he was too shy, and Robby had to coax him into trying it. Johnny has such a great voice, I can't believe there was a time when he was reluctant to sing! Good thing he got over that, huh? ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by FallenStar on Jan 5th, 2005, 4:55pm yeah...i sort of had that reaction the first time i heard the entire album...... and i must admit being a goo fan that there are a few terrible songs on that album......but there is alot of good stuff on there....i still love the album.... but yeah..it is way different from what they're like now ::) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by Saz_Goo on Jan 5th, 2005, 5:29pm Heheh, I know what you mean about the different sound! For me, HMU wasn't too big of a surprise because I bought Jed before HMU, and THAT was a real shock to the system, I can tell you!!! I wasn't entirely sure if I wanted to get HMU after that...:P Luckily I did get it, and it's still a great Goo album, IMO. As far as I know, (and feel free to correct me anyone, my knowledge ain't great :P) The Incredible Lance Diamond is an entertainer/singer back in their home town of Baffolo, and so they asked him to do some guest vocals on HMU (and on Jed too - not sure about their first release, since I don't have it... ??? ) Out of the Red is one of my FAVOURITE tracks, for some reason I love it's randomness!! I've always assumed that the animal noises at the end are because of the last line "Went to sleep at home and woke up in a shed" - which I always thought of as being a barn with animals howling in... on maybe I'm just strange. ;D And 22 Seconds is a classic - I love it! Kevin's Song is also very cool, I wish they did more instrumentals. I like the fact you can hear them tripping over bottles and stuff whilst playing... rock'n'roll!! :rockout: It's a shame john and robby don't sing anything together anymore, but I guess they've both moved on with their writing since then, and it might be wierd to combine their different styles into a song coherently now...does that make sense?? The thing I love about the old GGd albums is that you can hear them progressing from album to album. I think it's fascinating to track it - and it definitely hammers down those idiots who think they "sold out" with Iris and Name, when they've been doing slower songs all the way through! John's writing especially, it's very interesting to see him experimenting and growing in confidence with each album. DEFINITELY a good thing that Robby convinced him to start singing! :thumbsup: |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by hyperangel on Jan 5th, 2005, 10:51pm on 01/05/05 at 13:25:54, FizzyGoo wrote:
And then compare new stuff to the first album - that's a shock and a half. :o |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by UpYours on Jan 6th, 2005, 1:35am I love listening to the old live tracks from the old EPs and stuff, especially stuff like You Know What I Mean and Just The Way You Are, when John used to sing like he was drunk and depressed. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by pOGo on Jan 6th, 2005, 5:43am well...it's more 'post-punk' then actual punk cuz it has a pop rythem to it...awesome album. 8) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by girlnamedgrace on Jan 6th, 2005, 6:27am I love the bit in 'out of the red' when you can hear John(i think?) saying "aw, son of a b***h" before the guitar solo! ;D that album is great for the whole talking during recordings type thing that's going on. My fave songs off it have to be 'hey' cause John's vouce sounds all strained and cool trying to reach the high notes, and I just thought 'kevin's song' was the most amazing thing when I first heard it. More duets and instrumentals, please!!! |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 6th, 2005, 12:51pm FizzyGoo, I didn't really think about the quality of the equipment - I guess that might be a factor. Haha, the crazy old days...from what I've read, it's a surprise the boys managed to stay upright long enough to record anything! ROFL. Haha FallenStar - I remember reading an article which said that one of the great things about the GGD as a band was that 'no song on an album ever feels like 'filler'. " Lol...22 Seconds, anyone?! I don't really like Johnny's songs on this album! They just lack the...sort of...how can I describe it? The...poetic charisma of his current writing style. Not keen on that Lance Diamond guy either! But it was very interesting to hear a Goos instrumental. I didn't know such a thing existed. Lol Saz_Goo, that's a fantastic line isn't it?! �:D And your explanation about the animals seems to make sense, although you'd think 'barn' would have been more appropriate than 'shed'. Then again, that doesn't scan with 'red', lol. �;) 22 seconds is NOT a classic! LMAO. I know what you mean about the progression though...you can just hear the guys getting better with each album and sort of...musically finding their own identity, breaking new ground with each CD. There was some Robby quote about how it's 'ridiculous' when critics start saying the band aren't progressing, and how they should go listen to 'first release' and then 'Gutterflower' right after, and THEN try to say there's no progression. The man has a point. � As Saz_Goo and girlnamedgrace both said, the lack of recent duets kinda sucks...one thing I have always loved about The Goos is the contrast between Johnny and Robby as singer/songwriters, and I think to hear them singing alternate lines really emphasises the contrast of their voices, and their different styles. I love it! � I heard there is a track on 'Jed' were they taped a phonecall to their manager saying the band was splitting up. I really wanna hear that, I bet it's hilarious! EDITED TO ADD: girlnamedgrace, your sig is FANTASTIC. I nearly fell off my chair laughing... |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by UpYours on Jan 6th, 2005, 6:38pm What about the 1987 self-titled release? No one seems to be mentioning it. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by hyperangel on Jan 6th, 2005, 9:14pm on 01/06/05 at 18:38:20, UpYours wrote:
Hey now I mentioned it :) I think it's very different and a lot harder. I wouldn't even think it was the same band if someone played it for me right now. ;) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by UpYours on Jan 7th, 2005, 1:44am on 01/06/05 at 21:14:34, hyperangel wrote:
Oh, didn't notice. :D You can't deny that you need to listen to the first three albums to fully understand who they are and where they came from. Understanding the band's musical roots allows you to broaden your opinion on who they are and where they were. That's just my two cents. Slaugterhouse is an awesome track and I wish they'd give it a shot live once in awhile. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 7th, 2005, 2:39am Well UpYours, that's fair enough, but the fact remains that I have yet to see that album in any store, ever... :( |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by UpYours on Jan 7th, 2005, 3:14am on 01/07/05 at 02:39:12, RogueUK wrote:
Yeah, I got lucky when I found it. �Keep looking, though, I'm sure you will too. ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by crazy4goo on Jan 14th, 2005, 5:15pm Hey RogueUK, try checking on ebay for the first release. As far as I know it's out of print. But you'll have to pay dearly. I've been looking for one myself and they're selling anywhere from $40 to $100 |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by iris3732 on Jan 15th, 2005, 9:04pm on 01/05/05 at 11:11:43, babsil30 wrote:
yeah, I think they do tend to play that song a little faster when they play it live. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 15th, 2005, 9:53pm on 01/14/05 at 17:15:58, crazy4goo wrote:
:o You're kidding...? �:o I do not have that kind of money! Looks like I have to go without...ah geez, this sucks... :( Oh, and as something of an update to the original post I made...I've now heard Jed. �;D I freakin' LOVE Sex Maggot! It's the best! Especially the random screams at the end, I'm a big fan of random screams lol. Does the chord sequence remind anyone else of Basket Case by Greenday? Or is that just me being odd? Road to Salinas is pretty rocking. And Up Yours, haha. I know someone I'd love to play that to �;) I like Out of Sight too...especially the bit where Robby goes "You work at Chevy..." and then does this really manic, derisive laugh. What did Chevy ever do to him?! lol. I don't know whether I've responded better to this album because of hearing Hold me Up first. I imagine so. It came as less of a shock to the system. |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by UrbanAndGooFan on Jan 16th, 2005, 7:49pm RogueUK, You can buy older albums online at Amazon.com usually for a lot less expensive, or if you have a Media Play by you they can usually order stuff if you find the AISN number (i think thats what its called). And I think Amazon usually lists the AISN number. I hope this helps :) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by blessed_by_goo on Jan 16th, 2005, 11:03pm Has anyone ever gone to Winmix? I know it's shared files, but worth it if your lookin for those hard to find songs. I've had goodluck with them. Just a thought ;) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 17th, 2005, 10:23am on 01/16/05 at 19:49:00, UrbanAndGooFan wrote:
Well thanks for the tip UrbanAndGooFan, but I'm pretty sure Amazon only accepts credit cards, and not debit cards like Switch (I think in the US it's called a Maestro card...) Meh. I don't have a credit card, and I don't know anyone who's stupid enough to let me use theirs! :( New siggy? Heh, when did ya do that? It's pretty funky, even better than the last one ;) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by Julie on Jan 19th, 2005, 1:51pm I love Hold Me Up and think it's a brilliant album. It's true what John said about it being their first "real" album as it's a big step away from Jed. I really love "Two Days in February." It's an amazing song, especially live, as are all Goo songs. ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by nmf016 on Jan 19th, 2005, 2:18pm Wow, how did I skip over this thread? Hold Me Up is my favorite Goo record. I can't really explain it, it just is. I probably wouldn't name any of the songs on it as my favorite, but the album as a whole piece is incredible. I got HMU after owning DUTG and ABNG and didn't really like it at fist, but it really grew on me. I was actually thinking about the whole 'sell out' thing the other day. And I wish someone who said the 'sold out' would specify when/where the Goos sold out. To me DUTG is more similar to SSCW than to ABNG and ABNG is more like HMU. And no one was saying HMU and SSCW were 'selling out' records. Anyways, what I'm trying to say is that there is a definite progression in the records that some critics just won't let themselves believe. I actually think the transition from Jed to HMU is the most drastic transition the Goos have taken. And... whoever liked Slaughterhouse and wanted to hear it live, there are a bunch of pre 93 bootlegs floating around with it. Robby calls it the 'slow song'. And... whoever said the beginning of Sex Maggot sounds like Greenday, you're not crazy. I've always heard it too. (But actually, the Greenday song technically sounds like the Goo song, because Sex Maggot was recorded waaay before the Greenday song) |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by blessed_by_goo on Jan 20th, 2005, 2:04pm LOL ..... yeah what she said!!! I'm crackin up right now, it never occured to me how crazy that all looks until you wrote it together like that. All the lettered out titles. If we didn't know what you were talkin about someone could think you were losin your noodle...lol ;D |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by HolliGooPez on Jan 20th, 2005, 7:05pm on 01/06/05 at 01:35:38, UpYours wrote:
You Know What I Mean is may favorite off of HMU! |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by Pon on Jan 21st, 2005, 11:18pm yeah I came in during aboynamedgoo stage, so it wasn't really a big deal to me. Actually, after aboynamedgoo and superstarcarwash, I bought Jed and I was like WTF!!! It was mostly Robby and very crazy. When I heard HOLDMeUp, it wasn't bad and I loved that CD to death. What really shock me was the transition from aboynamedgoo to dizzyupthegirl. I though they sounded more like matchbox 20 and I was really upset. After many years, oddly, I find that dizzyupthegirl is probably their best album and i listen to the songs on their just as much as any other albums. I hated "slide" but I listen to that song more than any other goo song. ODD! |
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Title: Re: Wow - this is different... Post by RogueUK on Jan 22nd, 2005, 5:32am Ah nmf016, the whole 'sell out' thing is just something critics say when they have no real, relevant criticism to offer ;) Seriously though, that term ceased to have any meaning a long time ago, because now it's just used indiscriminately and completely out of context, as in the case of the Goos. It's like you said...where exactly are they supposed to have 'sold out'? Any time a band experiences success, they get slapped with the 'sellout' label...even if they've been struggling at the whole music business thing for years before they got even the slightest hint of commerical success...again, as in the case of The Goos. I don't know what prompts critics to make such ridiculous comments. Could it be something to do with the fact that, while the Goos are out there doing what they love and doing damn well at it too, the critic is stuck there sitting on his butt writing a review?! ;) Heh, Pon...I love the Robby-Craziness of Jed. Without Robby and his craziness, my life would be meaningless! And I LIKE Matchbox 20, heh. It seems to me though...and this is just idle wondering here...but from the things I've read, it seems to me that Robby doesn't really like the 'Dizzy' album. I mean I've read things where he'll say "We sounded like other people thought we should sound on that record" and there was another quote which was something like "Someone ripped the balls off that record..." (His words, guys, not mine!) |
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